Daily Beast Lies: American Family Association is ‘Hate Group’

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AFAThere is no doubt that many, if not most, conservatives could not care less what those on the hard Left have to say.  I understand this, but I also know that the lies of the Left (and lies are all they have to push their demented, tyrannical agenda) should be noted and refuted, because if left alone, they will become the “truth” that dictates the policies of our nation.  This will make the second column in a row in which I have featured some outlandish lies of liberal columnists.  Last week, it was ludicrous claims from the New York Times editorial board about Obama’s lawless, executive amnesty for illegal aliens, which the Times amazingly claimed was on “rock-solid legal footing.”

Tuesday, I stumbled on a column from the Daily Beast website in which the writer, Dean Obeidallah, hurled such lunatic accusations at the American Family Association (AFA) that you would think no one would give his thoughts a second glance.  Sadly, that’s not the case, because his kind of twisted thinking is what is being spread and amplified across all “mainstream” media outlets in our nation, and it’s what is widely accepted as “truth” among the deluded minds of the low-information Left.  Let me show you some of the insanity in his column.

In, “Bobby Jindal’s Love Affair With Hate” (the title of which was later changed to “Bobby Jindal Wants to Fistfight Your God”)  he writes:

“Our God wins!” Who do you think made this statement on Saturday in the hopes of rallying a group of religious fundamentalists? A. The leader of ISIS; B. A Yemeni militant commander; C. A radical Islamic cleric; or D. Louisiana Republican Governor Bobby Jindal.

The correct answer is Jindal. He made the “our God wins” statement as the keynote speaker at an event sponsored by the conservative Christian organization, the American Family Association. (AFA.) Now, Jindal’s “our God wins” is a more impressive boast than you might first realize. Jindal, who is now a Christian, was raised a Hindu, a faith that features literally millions of Gods. So for Jindal’s new God to win, he is surely fully aware that it has to beat throngs of Hindu Gods. That would likely entail a massive, NCAA March madness-type bracket system pitting God versus God for years of battles.

In any event, the God Jindal and the AFA members worship has apparently been working out and is ready to kick some deity ass. And the way the crowd cheered Jindal’s notion that “my God can beat up your God” tells you a great deal about the AFA.

Now for those unfamiliar with the AFA, here’s a primer. They are a hate group. It’s really that simple. And that’s not just my opinion, but the view of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which named the AFA a hate group for its vicious anti-gay statements over the years.

Putting aside Obeidallah’s cringe-worthy, foolish flippancy and his gross ignorance about the Lord and the transforming power of His Spirit, his claims about the AFA are not only damnable lies, but they’re dangerous lies.  I know we suffer from “hate” fatigue brought on by the flood of false accusations of “hate” from dark-minded people like Obeidallah who lob that ridiculous invective at anyone who tells the truth about their evil ideology and the agenda behind it.  Simply telling the Lord’s Biblical truth about the “proud” sin in our reprobate culture and its danger to our God-given freedoms is falsely labeled as “hatred” by these God-despising liberals.

Lies like these are dangerously reckless.  Floyd Corkins, a deranged homosexual, cited the same “hate” list from the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) as his inspiration to target the Family Research Council headquarters in Washington DC when he unsuccessfully attempted to murder people there in 2012.  Of course, the SPLC did not commit that crime—Corkins did—but their detestable lies about the Family Research Council fed the preexisting violence in the warped mind of Corkins.

A broader danger from such grotesque mischaracterizations of a peaceful Christian organization like the AFA is the giant cloud of false witness being created against Christians.  I have long warned that “hate speech” laws will be imposed on the people of the United States, because of the aggressive homosexual movement and the desire of its members to crush any voices of dissent against their agenda, which is tyrannical at its heart.  We are now at a point in our nation and world where people will not tolerate sound truth and reason.  They have rejected the moral foundations for humanity created by God, the same moral groundwork upon which our Founding Fathers built the federalist system of the United States.  This is spiritual rebellion, and as a result, there is a powerful delusion that engulfs the minds of people who reject God’s Word.  These deluded people have a pathological hatred for God and for those of us who support God’s design for living in true freedom.  That is why they work feverishly to silence those of us who tell the truth and speak against the evil tyranny that lies at the heart of the Left’s agenda for our nation.

A major battle front in the war against Christian expression comes from the radical homosexualists who have been vigorously laboring to create the illusion in people’s minds that anyone who is publicly honest about the immoral, unnatural and unhealthy behavior of homosexuality is displaying “hatred” against homosexuals.  They falsely portray as being against “civil rights” anyone who points out the danger to our freedoms from the homosexual movement’s fake “rights” campaign to destroy the meaning of marriage and to force Americans, against their consciences, to participate in and accommodate the sham of same-sex “marriage.”  If they are not stopped, it will become illegal to simply tell the truth about homosexual behavior or refuse to accommodate it.

This Daily Beast writer, Dean Obeidallah, is telling vicious lies.  Whether he is fully deceived and truly believes what he writes, or he still retains knowledge of the truth somewhere deep in his heart, he is still lying.  The AFA is not a “hate group,” and the SPLC is a group of actual hate-filled, anti-Christian liars that has “credibility” only among the Godless deluded among us.  Obeidallah also subtly compares Governor Bobby Jindal’s speaking at the AFA event to another politician speaking before a white supremacist group, an outrageous conflation.  Obeidallah further labels AFA’s Bryan Fischer as “hateful,” because Mr. Fischer also tells the truth about the threat to our freedoms posed by the militant homosexual movement and the threat to our nation posed by devoted followers of Islam.

In a column full of libelous sewage against a fine Christian group, one stellar quote from Governor Jindal stood out:  “Our God wins!”  While I could clearly see Obeidallah’s very foolish view of the God of all creation, the truth is that our God does win, because there are no other gods above Him, and Jesus, Who is God, sealed the victory at the cross.  One fine and terrible Day, every person will acknowledge that he knew this truth all along.

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  • retiredday

    “We are now at a point in our nation and world where people will not tolerate sound truth and reason.”

    Romans 1:18 reminds us that this will not stand. “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.”

    The ungodly and unrighteous will always lie, and there also will always be those who listen to those lies and remain deceived. Yet we know that faith comes by hearing (Romans 10:17) which means that as we speak the truth there will also be those who choose not to be deceived.

    Therefore, do not grow weary of speaking the truth — over and over again, if necessary. Lying voices are best dealt with by speaking the truth. What voice will people believe? (Romans 10:14) That’s up to each individual. All we can do is continue being witnesses to the truth (and pray that our message is believed).

    “Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.” Galatians 6:9

    • WXRGina

      Right, Mike! That line you quoted from my column is a paraphrasing from 2 Timothy 4:

      2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
      3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
      4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

      • retiredday

        Keep shining the light!

      • Pollos Hermanos

        Well golly. I guess the AFA might be taking the SPLC seriously now with them FIRING Bryan Fischer.

  • franklinb23

    “I have long warned that “hate speech” laws will be imposed on the people of the United States”

    Not going to happen. I’m sure you think Westboro Baptist to be a little extreme in their protests, yet the Supreme Court recently found in their favor.

    You can literally say just about anything in the US unless your words are intentionally libelous or threatening. It doesn’t mean everyone’s going to like what you have to say, but that’s a given.

    • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

      The Left already says it is “hate” to refuse to participate in the counterfeiting of marriage, and punishments are already being levied on some who refuse to violate their own conscience.

      Atlanta Fire Chief Kelvin Cochran was fired for writing, on his own time, in support of marriage and against the homosexual agenda. No doubt, many on the Left would characterize his speech as “hate.”

      The Soros group Colorlines says calling an illegal alien “illegal” is a “hate crime.”

      In other supposedly civilized nations like Canada and the UK, it is a crime to tell the truth about homosexual behavior and other pet behaviors of the Left. The Left here in the United States (see the referenced Soros group above) continually calls on the United States to lower itself and become like other repressive nations.

      No, free speech is already being hunted down in the United States, with intent of extinction by the Left. If the Left gets its way, the entire country will go the way of Leftist college campuses where only “approved speech” will be allowed, and “non-approved speech” will be punished.

      • Pollos Hermanos

        So what’s your opinion on the AFA caving to the SPLC’s accusations and FIRING Bryan Fischer?

        • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

          I don’t have one yet. I haven’t seen anything on it by anything other than Leftist hate sites who loathe anything to do with Christianity or America’s Christian heritage, and will lie through their teeth to deceive people.

          I’ll let you know once I learn the facts from a reputable source.

          • Pollos Hermanos

            Well and NBC News.

            • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

              Like I said, from a reputable source.

              I’ve seen nothing from NBC so far, only MSNBC. NBC is only marginally more reliable than the Leftist propaganda outlet MSNBC.

              • TrollopeReader

                golly, how many moderators are there?!

              • Pollos Hermanos

                Well they did run a direct quote from Tim Wildmon. If they completely made that up, I would hope that Tim would sue them for a lot of money.

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                With pretty much zero context and about the same amount of background.

                The pro-homosexual trolls and pro-homosexual media have no credibility with rational people, so as I said, I’ll be waiting to hear from a reputable source. Virtually everything that comes out of the mouth of the Left these days is a distortion at best, and often an outright lie.

              • Pollos Hermanos

                I’d say “he’s is no longer associated with the AFA” and “he’s just a talk show host” plus scrubbing his page from the AFA site is pretty definitive but you’re right, we should wait for more collaboration.

              • TrollopeReader

                Facts and folks like Bob are like oil and water.

              • WXRGina

                You’re not going to last long here tossing out ignorant, baseless insults. This is your first and final warning. Stow it, or we’ll move you along.

              • TrollopeReader

                What are a/ ignorant and b/ baseless?

                I deal with Facts.

                One warning and out? Do you feel powerful ?

                It’s quite interesting that rightwing nut job sites are the ones that ban, close, and disparage opposite views.

                But people that point that out are called fascists.

              • vorpal

                I do find it interesting that a common complaint you hear from spokespeople on the right is that the left is supposedly trying to silence them, when at the same time, on almost every right-wing website I’ve been to, anyone who posts a dissenting opinion has their comments deleted and is banned, and on many right-wing YouTube videos (some even complaining about being silenced), the comments and ratings are turned off.

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                Leftists usually get blocked and banned for a variety of reasons, including profanity, childish smears that have nothing to do with the topic at hand, and being flatly unwilling to acknowledge reason or logic.

                And many of us turn off comments altogether simply because we have no interest in giving the anti-American Left yet another platform on which to spew their acid. After all, apparently having ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, CNN, MSNBC, NPR, the New York Times, the Washington Post, et al…just isn’t enough of a platform to convince themselves that their corrosive, self-destructive ideology is credible.

              • vorpal

                Disagreement does not equal an unwillingness to acknowledge reason and logic; however, I have been banned from a few right-wing sites when I honestly went there seeking discussion. Usually, my attempts at dialogue and to challenge views (and similarly have my views challenged) were met with dismissal and incredibly vicious insults from some of the posters. In some cases, merely presenting a different opinion was enough to get me banned. In other cases, replying with a bit of snark to the nastiness of the other posters did me in. They, of course, were neither reprimanded nor banned for their shockingly vile name-calling.

                I support your right to moderate as you see fit, and to turn off comments wherever you like. If you are going to do that, though, and cry foul about being silenced, I’m also going to call you on the hypocrisy of that. (Also, I reserve the right to enjoy a delicious metaphorical bowl of irony when I run into those few who screech histrionically and loudly over and over again just how much they’re being silenced.)

                You may feel that the left is anti-American and that some of the claims they make contradict what you perceive to be facts, but I hope that you’re aware that many people on the left believe the exact same about you. Of course, you truly believe that you are right, just as they do.

              • vorpal

                (Forgot to mention this: FWIW, I have a PhD in math and taught logic courses to undergraduate engineering, science, and math students for seven years, so I feel that I have a pretty solid foundation of logic and reason; thus, any suggestion that my attempts at dialogue were bereft of logic or reason and that that was the motivation for banning me are likely unfounded.)

              • Polterguest

                Well you know logic, reason, and facts have a liberal bias.

              • TrollopeReader
              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                They are very much trusted by Leftists, I know.

              • TrollopeReader

                They can spew (and do they ever!) but they can’t stand up to Facts and reality. (and not even common sense). And they call us Fascists. If they were even remotely educated, they’d know the definition.

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                Actually, that’s the Left. Liberals, especially pro-homosexuals, have never met a fact they didn’t loathe and try to pervert.

              • vorpal

                Is that a fact, Bob?

              • WXRGina

                I’m not sure what your point is here carrying on and on about Bryan Fischer. As I said earlier, not many big Christians groups have the guts to stand firmly behind strong truth-tellers like he is.

              • Pollos Hermanos

                So saying the first amendment doesn’t apply to Jews is the truth? That’s part of the reason he was let go.

              • TrollopeReader

                So Hitler was gay and used gay Storm Troopers?
                And the 1st Amendment applies only to Christians?

                You certainly have a different view of truth-tellers than most everyone else.

                But if you say that the AFA, one of the strongest “Family” organizations caved, well, I guess we just have to accept that.

              • TrollopeReader

                So,. what’s a reliable source? WingNut Daily, Fox (yes we had to issue No-Go-Zone corrections and apologies) “News” ??

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                Fox News and WorldNetDaily are in fact a couple of the few reliable sources out there. Of course, Leftists consider anything that tells the truth to be “biased” (yes, biased toward the truth). We get that.

                I’d consider a statement by Fischer or AFA to be reliable. Even something like The Hill, Politico or the like would probably give a relative facsimile of the truth. But not MSNBC or some other out-of-the-closet Leftist rag.

                But don’t let me stand in the way of your zeal for propaganda. Dogs are going to crap on the lawn, and liberals…well, they’ll do the same. It’s in their nature.

              • MDB

                Reliable ?? Surely Bob, you can’t be serious.

              • TrollopeReader

                But I’m what used to be considered (pre 2008) mainstream Republican.

              • vorpal

                Liberals… are going to defecate… on lawns?

                Did you read that “fact” on WND, or did you make it up all by yourself?

        • WXRGina

          My opinion? Why do you “care” what my opinion is? Answer: you don’t.

          • Pollos Hermanos

            No Gina, I really really super duper care what you think. You just spent a ton of digital ink defending the AFA for the last 24 hours and they caved and fired your friend Bryan Fischer so they could not make the GOP look bad.

            You just got left holding the bag.

            Your opinion is of great interest to me.

            • WXRGina

              You are a pro-homosexual propagandist troll commenter, PH. You do not care what I think. I will say that not everyone has the guts to stand by a truth-teller, and there are plenty of large Christian organizations that have caved to fear. I stand by every word I write and have written.

              • Pollos Hermanos

                Troll? No, trolls are contrarians who will say things they don’t believe to get a rise out of people.

                I stand by everything I say (just like you do). The AFA caved for political expediency and I wish they hadn’t.

                Bryan has done more for me than you can comprehend.

              • vorpal

                “there are plenty of large Christian organizations that have caved to fear reason”

                Fixed that for you, Gina. You’re welcome.

              • DCM7

                No, you broke it.

      • Schlukitz

        “Atlanta Fire Chief Kelvin Cochran was fired for writing, on his own time, in support of marriage and against the homosexual agenda.”

        That is incorrect.

        He was fired for the handing out of the anti-gay literature that he wrote which was against rules and regulations in the workplace. He also disobeyed the Mayor by publicly stating that he would continue to do so if he was reinstated.

        He overstepped his bounds when he began sounding like and moonlighting as Christian preacher, on the taxpapers dime, when he should have been doing his job as a Fire Chief.

    • MDB

      Except when Southern Baptist and Pentecostal pastors go on record (with video) and call for violence and death to those in the gay community; then hate speech is just okey-dokey !!

      • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

        That would be a new one (and the Westboro idiots don’t count). More distortion and lies from the Left.

        • JoeMyGod

          Look up these guys:

          Baptist Pastor James David Manning
          Pentecostal Pastor Steven Anderson
          Baptist Pastor Charles Worley

          There are many more.

        • MDB

          The Baptist pastor’s outrageous statements from NC: Charles Worley and Sean Harris, and Steven Anderson from Tempe AZ are a matter of public record. Do you need links to them to refresh your memory ??

          • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

            Calling for violence and death to those in the gay community. Yeah. Uh huh.

            I watched your propaganda video with a few isolated clips with no surrounding context. Real scary. Two or three sloppy and sometimes tongue-in-cheek statements from people that 99% of Americans have never heard of. Real representative of both the Bible and the Christian community in general.

            Yes, this was far worse than the hateful calls for violent death for pro-family advocates, as well as the hopes and desires of homosexual activists for Christians and their children to be raped, etc.

            http://www.americanclarion.com/hideous-evil-face-homofascist-hate-35601

            http://www.americanclarion.com/homosexual-activists-display-tolerance-by-assaulting-christians-22304

            http://www.americanclarion.com/homosexual-tolerance-strikes-again-26471

            And that’s without even getting into the very real and happening efforts of homosexual activists to detroy the businesses and lives of Christian business owners.

            http://www.americanclarion.com/homosexual-activists-driving-store-out-of-business-15186

            But hey, why allow any of that to bother us when there are a couple of sloppy statements to take out of context and use to advance the agenda?

            Like I said, the Left-especially the homosexual movement-has been lying so long and so brazenly that you have zero credibility.

            • MarkOH

              You know, if you really wanted to offer proof of something, you should cite other references then this very web site.

              • WXRGina

                That statement is empty of logic, Mark. I notice you don’t even attempt to refute the truth in any of Bob’s citations. You homo-activists always try the old “show me another source” gimmick. It doesn’t work here.

              • MarkOH

                OH my Gina, lack of logical thought seems to be your first name. When someone is trying to prove fact, to cite one resource is illogical. And why waste time pointing out the sites that do speak truth only to have you and Bob complete disregard them?

              • WXRGina

                You have still not made a rational point. Further, since you believe lies, there will be no “proving” anything to you. In your desperation to justify the unjustifiable, you will not accept 50 different sources that say the same thing.

              • MarkOH

                I counted 4 references ALL from the same site. Try me with a few from other places. But I do call out lies, not believe in them, as some obviously do.

            • MDB

              Oh please, climb down off of your sanctimonious cross, already !! YOU can’t handle the truth, obviously, and wouldn’t recognize it if it slapped you in the face !! You have now shown your true colors - you’re just another “so-called Christian” bigot !

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                Actually, Christ told us all to crucify our own desires, to take up our cross and follow him. He is the only truth.

                For your own sake as well as the sake of the society you are hurting, I hope someday soon you will be able to put down your pride and self-centeredness, follow the Truth and try to live for the good of others.

              • MDB

                I do that daily and in service to and for my Church. You do NOT know me yet you make ridiculous statements regarding my faith when I have never questioned yours. I don’t spend all day every day working to hurt others, nor does my church or Cathedral community. We work to serve the least among us, with humility and love, as we have been commanded. That is just one example of what I did with my faith, my time and my energy YESTERDAY.

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                If you are promoting a behavior that God has clearly stated in both Old and New Testaments that he considers an abomination, then either you are an apostate, or you are in an apostate church, or both.

                You cannot serve both God and evil, and you are promoting evil here.

                Let go of evil, humble yourself and accept God’s standard. Throw yourself on his mercy and he will forgive you.

              • MDB

                Promote evil ?? That’s a new LOW for you, BOB !! I speak out against violence, hatred and insufferable bigotry.YOU sit in JUDGEMENT about apostasy..REALLY ????
                .GEE how very NOT Christian of you. YOU KNOW nothing about me, my life or my faith…YET, you make these outrageous claims!
                YOU just shot YOURSELF out of the saddle. I could make some personal comment to you now but I won’t. Anything else I need (or WANT to now say to you) should be done privately, and with kindness.

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                No, the promotion of evil is a LOW for you. Your hatred and bigotry toward your fellow Americans, as well as toward your Creator, is the epitome of apostasy. Jesus said we are known by our fruits, and you are producing a rotten crop of apostasy. If you’re going to promote evil, the least you could do was embrace it as such. But then, if you did that, you’d come uncomfortably close to facing your own moral bankruptcy…which in turn might make you feel the need to do something about it, and that’s the last thing on earth you’re interested in right now.

              • MDB

                YOU are TRULY hateful and EVIL ! Christian? NOT .AT . ALL !!!

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                Yes, to a person dedicated to evil, God’s standard would seem like evil, for God’s standard is the antithesis of the corruption you embrace.

                I’ve done what I can for you, and the rest is up to you:

                If I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ and you give him no warning, nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way, in order to save his life, that wicked person shall die for his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand. But if you warn the wicked, and he does not turn from his wickedness, or from his wicked way, he shall die for his iniquity, but you will have delivered your soul. *Ezekiel 3:18-19)

              • MDB

                You do NOT represent NOR do YOU speak for God, or for truth !! NOR do you speak for righteousness, thank goodness !!
                On the other hand it would seem you have Arrogant. Sanctimony - absolutely perfected !!! What a surprise ?!?!?

              • MarkOH

                Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

              • MarkOH

                “If you are promoting a behavior that God has clearly stated in both Old and New Testaments that he considers an abomination”

                Can you cite verse?

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                Of course I can. But why waste the time on someone who is obviously contemptuous of the truth?

              • MarkOH

                Ah, evasive response. So there are no verses. I understand.

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                Sure there aren’t…in your dreams.

                So you’re really interested in learning something? You’re really interested in the truth? Here is a link with the information you’ve asked for. Now don’t prove yourself a liar afresh.

                http://www.dakotavoice.com/2008/05/for-the-bible-tells-me-so-the-real-story-part-2/

              • MarkOH

                Hm, so many of those verses don’t even mention homosexuality. And the ones that do are interesting as well as the word was not around until the 1800’s.

                As for the old chestnut of Sodom and Gomorrah, if only there was a awy to find out what the story really means. Oh, that’s right, the answer is in the Bible - the word of God.

                Ezekiel 16:49-50: “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

                So, to say the story is about God’s judgement against homosexuals is, clearly, a lie (and that’s bearing false witness)

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                Well, you went and proved yourself a liar…like I knew you would. Sorry I wasted the time.

              • MarkOH

                You are saying the Bible lies?????

        • TrollopeReader

          You do know that gays are left, right and in the middle?

        • Porkie

          Why don’t the WBC count?

          • WXRGina

            Because they are a cult whose beliefs are foreign to the Bible.

            • Porkie

              cult
              kʌlt/
              noun
              1.
              a system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object.
              “the cult of St Olaf”
              How are they any more a cult than any other Baptist denomination? and their beliefs are taken from the Bible ….Gina if you want me to understand, you have to explain; not just throw words around.

    • DCM7

      “Gay” activists would rather deal with a hundred Westboro Baptist-like “God hates fags” groups than one person who simply and rationally tells the truth about homosexuality. The Westboros just make the “anti-gay” folks in general look bad and make the “gays” look all the more like victims.

  • JoeMyGod

    “peaceful Christian organization like the AFA”

    #LOLOLOLOLOLinfinity

    • WXRGina

      You need to ease on down the road, Joe.

      • Pollos Hermanos

        Why? He’s just expressing an opinion, nothing offensive in the post at all.

        My 20 years in LA talk radio has taught me quite a bit about interacting with your listeners/readers and I’d never have hit the dump button on Joe if he were a caller to my show.

        • WXRGina

          We know that Joe runs a virulent homosexual activist website, PH. We know where this leads. Just doing a little preemptive messaging.

          • Pollos Hermanos

            Sounds like it leads to possibilities of conversations with people you may not encounter in the real world. As long as they follow any profanity rules, I’d welcome them and try to get to know your digital neighbors.

            • WXRGina

              Actually, no. We’ve heard and refuted every angle, every lie and every baseless insult you homo-activists attempt. You have nothing new to offer in the way of “conversations.”

              • TrollopeReader

                If that’s close to true, why are you losing 98% of your gay marriage fights? Including the Big One in June?

              • retiredday

                Gina, the problem is these guys are just about as able to engage in rational conversation as the bar flies I hung around with before I was saved. Not much conversational authenticity here — just the slamming down of agenda. There’s your real hate.

              • MDB

                Real hate is calling for death to those in the gay community from the pulpits of intransigent fundamentalists. I’ll let their very public and outrageous comments, speak for themselves. I’ d be interested to hear your explanation for the same.
                * For a list of few (just to help you out) see my comment about violence and death preachers/pastors to the those in the gay community, above.

              • retiredday

                I agree that Christians “calling for death to those in the gay community” are acting hatefully and distorting the Biblical message. They are not being led of the Holy Spirit, but by the intensity of their own feelings. But it is not correct to say that these persons characterize proper Christian attitudes, or that they represent Christians at large.

                Authentic Christians do not hate homosexuals. We hate sin because God hates sin. We know it is not our job to punish people for their sins. That’s God’s job. The term “fundamentalist” simply means those who believe in the fundamental teachings of Scripture. But those opposed to Christianity use the word as a pejorative, with the intent that we are ignorant and hateful.

                Not so with real Christianity and real Christians. That includes the contributors here at American Clarion. We don’t hate anyone. We’re simply are armed to call a spade a spade when liars attack us. And you know what a lie is. It’s an attempt to revise history, starting with the first thing out of the serpent’s mouth: “But did God really say that?”

                Yes, he did.

              • MDB

                I used the reference to intransigent fundamentalists, most accurately as in the instances of those incorrigible men who call themselves pastors, and whose congregations of fundamentalist Christians applauded their statements calling for violence and death to those in the gay community !!! The videos are readily available on the internet. Sadly, most American Christians said little, or NOTHING, to condemn these outrageous statements of “Real Hate” from the pulpits (and still have not) !! Jesus surely wept at their utterance !

              • retiredday

                What you and the several pro-LGBT commentators to this article here are doing is projecting your own prideful, selfish attitudes on those who love God enough to humble ourselves before him and obey him because he is sovereign God who has the authority to say what is right and what is wrong.

                Those who lift themselves in pride against the will of the Almighty will be judged by the Almighty. What I feel or what I think about those who reject the authority of God is irrelevant. Your anger against God makes you an enemy of God. That’s on you. You must deal with the consequences.

                As far as Christians are concerned, our Lord tells us to love our enemies and pray for those who persecute us. You are our enemies. You do persecute us (force society to legally accept your immorality and rebellion against God). So I ask the Holy Spirit to move in all of your lives. May he reveal His truth to you, and may he mercifully save you.

                Some of you will be open to receive Christ. Some of you won’t. That’s up to you. But I don’t hate you. I do hate sin. I know what it is, and like you, have struggled with it. And wearing mixed textiles, eating shellfish, working on Sunday, etc. — that’s not sin. There is a lot of confusion and ignorance on these pages.

              • MDB

                What I see and read here is others, professing to be Christians , lying about facts and whining about rights being taken away that have not been, and sitting in CONDEMNATIONAL judgement in short outbursts to others, about whose personal lives (or faith) you or others, KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING !!
                I see sanctimony and “Pharisee” (so-called) Christians turning up the volume and puffing up their chests, by belittling, condemning and judging others harshly !! There is a great deal of INSUFFERABLE IGNORANCE and JUDGMENTALISM here on these pages couched as “religious” concern.

              • retiredday

                And what I see is that you (and they) are blinded.

              • MDB

                Because THAT is already WHAT you WANT to SEE in your blind arrogance and condemnation. There is no love, or concern, or discussion here.
                “You can safely assume that you’ve created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.”

              • Schlukitz

                “We know it is not our job to punish people for their sins. That’s God’s job.”

                So, the bottom line is, you DO, in fact, support violence against LGBT people.

                You just prefer that someone else (God) does the dirty work.

              • Polterguest

                Pity for them that their “god” prefers to have other people do his dirty work. He’s a coward like that.

              • oikos

                You hate sin, but it looks like you cut your hair and shave your beard. I’ll bet you have eaten shellfish, worked on a sunday, etc too. What should your punishment for sinning be?

              • DCM7

                “I’ll bet you have eaten shellfish, worked on a sunday, etc too. What should your punishment for sinning be?”
                Uh-oh… sounds like we’ve got a “doesn’t know the distinction between OT and NT” type on our hands here…

              • oikos

                Show me in the NT where jesus speaks of being gay. He does talk about divorce however. Why aren’t you pushing for a constitutional amendment to ban divorce?

              • DCM7

                Show ME in the New Testament where, say, eating shellfish is placed on the same level as sexual immorality. Shoot, even the OT doesn’t really do that.
                And I can show you in the NT where Jesus reaffirms the definition of marriage.
                And BTW, what Jesus refers to as “divorce” in most English translations has nothing to do with what we call “divorce.” It actually refers to treating as divorced without actually granting a divorce, thus leaving the woman destitute.
                If you ever actually bothered learning about the Bible, you wouldn’t be so quick to try to throw what you think it says at people who actually know what it says.

              • oikos

                Again, please point out the passage and verse where jesus mentions gay people.

              • WXRGina

                The entire Word of God (old and new testaments) is the Word of Jesus, but I don’t expect you to “get” that. However, when Jesus repeated the meaning of marriage in Matthew 19, he also reiterated the proper bounds of sexuality for mankind. Further, we don’t know whether or not he mentioned homosexuality during his earthly ministry, because only a fraction of what He did and said is recorded for us.

              • MarkOH

                LOL, I love when the OT is pointed out and people such as yourself say, “it’s all about the NT”. But then, hypocritically, you go back to saying that both the OT and NT are important, apparently just not the parts that pertain to you. And saying that Mathew 19 is some how a mention of a belief against homosexuality is a BIG stretch indeed.

              • WXRGina

                What are you even talking about? Who said “it’s all about the NT”? Not me. Regardless, you don’t believe or understand God’s Word, so why are you attempting to use it?

              • MarkOH

                DCM7 accused oikos of bringing up OT when it’s about the NT. Please, try to keep up. And I understand God’s word more than you, apparently. And, if Gina refers to you being a woman, I refer you to this little verse from God’s word. 1 Timothy 2:12

              • WXRGina

                Sorry, Charlie, as I already said, you neither understand nor believe the Bible. I could point you to the verses that say this. Your citing of 1 Timothy 2:12 (don’t you know that you homoactivists love to whip that one out?) demonstrates your lack of understanding. Paul is talking about women in church leadership positions, but I don’t expect you to understand that, since you are unable to grasp the meaning of God’s Word.

              • MarkOH

                Oh, I understand. You INTERPRET the parts of the Bible that go against you (ASSUMING God’s meaning is different even though you claim it’s the word of God), but use those verses that don’t pertain to you VERBATIM.

              • WXRGina

                There’s nothing I can say to you. You are in open rebellion against the Truth, and your vision is warped.

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                That’s the sad truth of it, Gina.

                When I was living as a pagan, I was more open to the truth than the average pagan, but even so, I wasn’t ready to humble myself before the truth of my Creator until I had reached the end of myself. And I’m afraid the delusion that has come upon our culture today is vastly worse that what we lived under when I lived as a pagan 25 years ago.

                Only God’s Spirit can reach people like this. We can be his audible voice, but it will take a powerful heart-work of God’s Spirit before they’ll be able to come to terms with reality.

              • MarkOH

                As long as you put yourself up on a pedestal above others, noone will hear you, Bob. And God will knock you off that pedestal.

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                In accordance with Christ’s admonition, it’s a cross I seek to put myself and my desires on. And God won’t knock me off there, since that’s where he wants me to be-with Christ.

                You should try it yourself. Put the truth ahead of your own petty desires. Our society will be better for it, and you’ll preserve your eternal soul.

              • MarkOH

                I am truly sorry you have so much hate in your heart. I pray God will one ay open it and let you see the world around you in truth. In the mean time, I will also pray you do not do more harm to others.

              • WXRGina

                “Hate”? HAHAHAHA!!! Yes, the truth is falsely regarded as “hate” by those who hate the truth.

              • MarkOH

                The classic run away from people when you point out truth. You do a great job in an attempt to vilify others. Try reading Mathew 23 to see what Jesus says of folks like you.

              • oikos

                So he didn’t mention homosexuality. What do you mean you don’t know? I thought the bible had all of the answers?

              • MDB

                Are you really trying to justify marital infidelity and divorce as okey-dokey with Jesus ??? The ultra crazee fundamentalist re-interpretations for Scriptures just never end.Oi vey iz mir !!

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                Watched a new video last night on this tired old Leftist canard.

                At the risk of casting pearls before swine…

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsxJpB-5HxI

              • MDB

                Can we post videos as well, in our responses, or only the MODS here ??

              • WXRGina

                That’s true, Mike. Their lies do not go unrefuted here, though.

          • Porkie

            What’s the difference between “preemptive messaging” and censorship?

            • vorpal

              Political affiliation, obviously.

              When a liberal does it, it’s “silencing dissent”, “stifling dialogue”, and “censorship.”

              When a conservative does it, it’s “preemptive messaging” and “dismissing lies.”

          • Schlukitz

            “A virulent homosexual activist website.”

            Gee..if I didn’t know better, I’d swear that I was listening to Brian Fischer himself.

          • oikos

            Virulent homosexual activist website-hahahaha Comedy Gold! No wonder you guys keep losing in court.

            • DCM7

              No, we “keep losing” because the other side keeps cheating — and others let it do so.

              • oikos

                Cheating? Nope. Trying to impose your religious viewpoints in civil matters like marriage is why you are losing, consistently. If marriage was about religion , rather than a civil contract, I would get my license from the church, not the govt. I don’t subscribe to your beliefs (my freedom of religion) so I don’t have to live by them.

              • DCM7

                And yet you’d have no problem forcing others to live by your beliefs. Amazing that you can’t see your own hypocrisy. Or the cheating.
                It’s not about anyone’s “religious viewpoints” anyway. It’s about hard reality that many find inconvenient.

              • vorpal

                Who, exactly, is he forcing to live by his beliefs? Will you be forced into a same-sex marriage? Will your church be forced to perform same-sex marriages?

                How exactly are SSM advocates cheating? And what about hard reality do many find inconvenient?

              • DCM7

                I already answered your first question.
                “Will your church be forced to perform same-sex marriages?”
                Give me one reason why I can be sure no one will try to do that. Oh, wait, you can’t.
                And cheating? Ever heard of the phrase “activist judges”? You know, the ones that override the will of the majority?
                “Hard reality” as in men and women are designed to be with each other. You know, something about basic biology.

              • oikos

                Activist judges are only that when they rule against you. When they rule in your favor you have no complaints. Interesting how that works. BTW the parts work fine with two men or two women. It sounds like you think about this a lot-get help.

              • WXRGina

                Uh, no. “Activist” judges are judges who make law from the bench and who rule outside of the Constitution. In case you’re not up on Constitution 101, they don’t have that authority.

              • oikos

                They do indeed have the authority to rule something “unconstitutional” and that is exactly what they have done. That is exactly the function of federal judges since the constitution is our governing document, not the bible.

              • MarkOH

                So, what is an “activist” judge? One that rules against your belief?

              • oikos

                Bingo

              • WXRGina

                We’ve already answered that question-not that you’re actually looking for answers.

              • MarkOH

                Uh, no, you actually haven’t. but, apparently, my answer is correct.

              • MDB

                Dear Gina, that IS precisely their function in the American system of three EQUAL branches of government. I suggest you re-up your education with High School Civics 101.

              • MarkOH

                Don’t be too hard on her. She spews words like “activist judges” but is completely incapable of defining what she means.

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                Apparently it is YOU who needs to head back to high school and learn something (though I doubt they’re teaching much, these days, other than how to hate America).

                While the three branches of government hold checks and balances over each other, they were never intended to be equal. Look at the Constitution itself. Article 1, dealing with the legislature, is the longest and lays out the broadest powers, followed the executive, then the judicial.

                The Federalist Papers make this clear beyond any doubt. Specifically, read Federalist No. 78. It spells it out: ” It proves incontestably, that the judiciary is beyond comparison the weakest of the three departments of power.” The men who crafted the constitution made it so weak that they believed “the general liberty of the people can never be endangered from that quarter.” Of course, there was the caveat: “so long as the judiciary remains truly distinct from both the legislature and the Executive.”

                Sadly, we have allowed our constitution-along with the liberty it was designed to safeguard-to be trampled and ignored, giving de facto power to the judiciary to create law out of nothing but opinion (a power that even the legislative branch does not enjoy), and in essence given them authority to order (taking the place of the executive) that their opinions be carried out.

                We no longer have a functioning constitutional republic. We have an oligarchy.

                And if Leftists had any sense whatsoever, they would realize that such a lawless environment ultimately endangers them as well (because the government that is your friend today can be your enemy tomorrow), and would join conservatives in working to restore our constitutional republic.

              • MDB

                My use of the word EQUAL was to imply the function of checks and balances. Quit nitpicking !! Which liberties, precisely , do YOU no longer enjoy ???? Dates, times, laws.

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                It’s not nitpicking. You made a statement that was, at best, inaccurate, and the distinction is extremely important. Your cavalier attitude about the structure of your own government is almost as pathetic as your dismissive attitude toward the liberties of your fellow Americans-not to mention your casual dismissal of God’s standard.

              • MarkOH

                Again, who decides if a law is unconstitutional?

              • MDB

                Good grief, now you resort to using direct personal attacks ? Calling me cavalier, pathetic and dismissive? How VERY IMMATURE !!!!
                You have FINALLY shown US your true colors…and they AIN’T very pretty !!!

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                As Jesus said, we are known by our fruits, and you have displayed your wares for all to see today. If you promote evil, don’t be surprised when people recognize (and condemn you) for promoting evil. If you don’t want to be recognized as promoting evil and condemned for promoting evil, the solution is simple: don’t promote evil.(That goes for displaying a dismissive, cavalier attitude toward freedom and what is right, too).

                The choice is yours.

              • MDB

                You condemn yourself in your petulant sanctimonious arrogance. YOU have won NO one’s heart here today.At least we now know how low, vile and base you will lower yourself to be. I’m guessing that’s a natural for you.

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                Oh, you’ve made it very clear that your heart will not bend to God’s truth. Unfortunately, that’s the way of arrogant, self-centered people who favor their own standard over God’s standard.

                I’ve tried with politeness, I’ve tried with clarity, I’ve tried with directness. You are simply too hostile to the truth to be reached. That’s your call. I hope you will humble yourself before your Creator before it’s too late, because when you are standing before him for judgment, it’ll be too late.

              • MarkOH

                Luke 6: 37: “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.”

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                You should try reading the Bible (like any form of communication should be) in context. Of course, it’s a lot harder to justify your embrace of evil if you look for the truth in Scripture.

                It would be impossible to do everything God has commanded his people to do in spreading the truth, if we accepted the asinine meaning you claim.

                You’ve already proven you hold only contempt for the truth, but for the benefit of any open-minded person who might read this…

                http://www.gotquestions.org/do-not-judge.html

              • MarkOH

                LOL, I love how close minded, bigoted Bible thumpers like you get all upset when your “logic” is used against you. You get more and more vile.

              • MDB

                “You can safely assume that you’ve created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.” - C.J. Werleman

              • MarkOH

                Bingo

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                Unless, of course, you’ve adjusted your own opinion to match as best as possible God’s opinion.

                Otherwise, you can rely on myopic, sniveling quotes from people who loathe what is right to feed your own sense of self-justification.

              • MDB

                POLITE ? Are you KIDDING ME ?? You thrive on hostile personal attacks and judgmentalism !! You fool NO-ONE here !!

              • MarkOH

                So, who decides if a law is legal or in agreement with the Constitution?

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                Judicial activism has nothing to do with whether the ruling is for or against you. Judicial activism is when so-called judges issue a ruling that has no foundation in law or constitution, and more and more frequently is in direct contradiction to the law or constitution.

                The constitution is silent on the issue of marriage. Article 1 Section 8 lists the enumerated powers of the federal government, and marriage is not among them. As the Tenth Amendment makes crystal clear, any powers not specifically delegated to the federal government are retained by the states and the people.

                The people have spoken resoundingly across the country, affirming that marriage is what every civilization throughout thousands of years of human history have always known it to be: between a man and a woman. An overwhelming number of states have affirmed this in law, and a great majority have even gone so far as to enshrine this obvious reality in their constitutions.

                Yet activist judges have spit upon their oath, spit upon the constitutions of various states, and spit upon the United States Constitution to implement their own Leftist bias as if it were actual law. Incidentally, our nation’s founding document, the Declaration of Independence, refers to this type of lawless behavior as “pretended legislation.” In other words, it only pretends to be law, without actually being law.

                It’s really sad that Leftists don’t even realize that the culture of lawlessness and men’s opinions over the law will someday come home to stomp them brutally. Ask anyone who briefly enjoyed the lawlessness of a Marxist revolution…only to find themselves on the wrong end of a gun later.

                We must return to being a nation of law, or the great experiment known as America will soon be over (which, I know, would only please many haters all too well).

              • oikos

                You don’t get to vote on the right of others. This country is governed by the constitution which protects the rights of the minority (14th amendment) If you did black people would still be considered 3/5 of a person, and women would not be able to vote or own property. This is why you keep losing, as Federal District Judge John G. Heyburn II, a George H. W. Bush appointee said about your position, “These are not the arguments of serious people.” As for the definition of marriage I suggest you read your own bible filled with polygamy, (see King Solomon’s wives),concubines and incest (Lot’s daughters for example) The defintion of marriage has and will continue to change as evidenced by the fact you can’t sell your daughter to another man for marriage anymore: “Biblical marriage is a man arranging to buy a girl from her father for an agreed upon purchase price (Genesis 29:18),

              • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

                No vote was involved. Homosexuals have the same right to marry that everyone else has. They are also subject to the same requirements as everyone else (it doesn’t get more fair and equal than that). EVERYONE is required to find a marital partner who consents, is of legal age, is not married to another person, is not a close relative, and is of the opposite sex. It takes a man and a woman to form a marriage; without one or the other, you just have two people sexually stimulating each other to no useful end.

                You have no more “right” to call yourself “married” when you are not qualified, than someone has a “right” to call themselves a cop when they haven’t been through the hiring, training and certification process of actually becoming a cop. Or a fireman. Or an accountant.

                I thought only little children believed they could just imagine something and it be accepted as real.

                By the way, the Bible you loathe so much condemns polygamy, concubines, and incest, as well as homosexual behavior. The terrible consequences of them ALL are displayed in the Bible.

                The definition of marriage has never changed, and can never change. Like a spoiled little child, you can pretend that what you imagine must be accepted as real by thinking people, but that will never make it so.

                Someday, humanity will return to sanity, and will look back on this temporary period of insanity with astonishing incredulity.

              • oikos

                If I can’t marry the legal consenting adult I love then no I don’t have equal rights and again I am entitled to equal rights. You don;t get to impose your values on me. Why would I marry a woman when I am not attracted to women and make her and my life miserable? Again as the judge said, These are not the arguments of serious people. BTW the only qualification for marriage is two consenting adults able to enter into a civil contract-which after all is what marriage is.

              • MarkOH

                “…and is of the opposite sex”

                And the law used to say “of the same race”.

              • vorpal

                You can be sure that your church will not be forced to perform same-sex weddings because, by law, your church is granted the ability to discriminate as it sees fit in these issues. Your church has never been forced to marry atheists, or Hindus, or interfaith marriages, or people entering into second marriages, or any other couple, for that matter. If you think somehow this will change for same-sex couples, please tell me why; however, your insecurities are not a valid point for denying civil rights and protections to a group of people.

                I’ve heard the phrase “activist judges” literally hundreds of times from the far-right. It seems little more than a knee-jerk form of name-calling when a judge disagrees with you and rules in a way that isn’t pleasing to you. You seem to think that you understand the law better than these judges, when they have spent their entire careers studying and practicing it.

                Overriding the will of the majority, when it is legally appropriate to do so, is precisely one of the responsibilities afforded to these judges.

                Regarding your “hard reality”, please explain to me how a man who has absolutely no sexual or romantic attraction to women was designed to be with a woman. It really doesn’t seem like that would work out very well for him or any woman.

              • oikos

                Who is forcing you to marry another person of the same sex? What’s that you say? No one? Well then you are just a busybody trying to impose YOUR morality on others. I don’t have to subscribe to your beliefs or have my rights impeded by them. Show me where in the constitution it mentions, jesus or the bible.

              • DCM7

                People are trying to force me to accept same-sex “marriage” as if it were equal to real marriage. That’s what you’re trying to impose on others.

              • oikos

                hahahahahaha. That is why you will keep losing in court. No one is forcing YOU to do anything. Your problem is you want to interfere in the lives of others. Marriage=civil contract. Marriage license=issued by state. Divorce=granted by state. You’ll notice none of these are functions of religion.

              • Silver_Witch

                A real marriage??? Like a man married to a woman to make children? No a real marriage is one where two (or more) consenting adults who live each other come together before there friends and family to celebrate and commemerate their love. It has nothing whatsoever to do with god or procreation. My husband and I can not procreate and yet we have loving marriage. I am so tired of alledged Christians throwing sex and children into the definition of marriage whivh is simply a celebration of love.

              • MarkOH

                LOL, scarey quotes around marriage. I agree, there is no such thing as “same sex marriage” - it’s just MARRIAGE whether between a man and a woman, two men, or two women.

              • MDB

                NO ONE is forcing YOU to accept anything you do not wish to. You can enjoy being an intransigent “religious” right-wing fundamentalist hateful bigot all day long until your ears turn red, and NO ONE can or WILL stop stop you in this country. THAT is your religious freedom at work !!! You however, wish to play the role of a persecuted sanctimonious martyr who has actually suffered NOTHING at all.

  • MDB

    So which men and women can now NOT get married ??? or have unlimited numbers of children ??? You’re just whining about straw-man scenarios because you have NOTHING ?else that makes any sense, whatsoever ! Excuse me, but your sanctimony and ignorance is showing for all to see, No one is FORCING you to do ANYTHING !
    Your cries and shrieks are those of a petulant selfish child.

    • AC700

      Woah, slow down.. We are all part of shaping the culture. Just wondering what the consensus is regarding the redefinition of marriage - when people start throwing around hate & phobia it exhibits a lack of sound perspective

      • MDB

        Perhaps if you had experienced, firsthand, hatred with the physical beatings and attacks I and others here have endured and fortunately survived (because of the pervasive anti-gay Christian culture in this country over the past 2 1/2 centuries) you wouldn’t be so quick to make that such a ridiculous statement !!

    • AC700

      People of faith take their faith, not their hate, with them where they go….. To blindly stifle & punish free speech regarding the reality of sin and the conscience of a free member of society who is not sharing hate but love is not the way to gain support & acceptance , make a rational case for the redefinition of marriage and why it’s good for a society founded on JudeoChristian principles and natural law… We are not to place the personal whims of the individual above the health & wellness of society

      • MDB

        NO ONE is “BLINDLY STIFLING” or PUNISHING anyone’s free speech. Just stop whining with false equivalencies already !!! That ridiculous opening salvo made the rest of your statement seem childish and irrelevant. You ARE free to have all the Judeo-Christian heterosexual marriages you wish, or Jewish heterosexual marriages, or Mormon heterosexual marriaes, or Buddhist heterosexual marriages, or Taoist heterosexual marriages, or Shinto heterosexual marriagess, or non-religious heterosexual marriages, or pagan heterosexual marriages……….

        What’s that you say ???……Oh you MEANT, that ONLY your personal version of Christian marriage is the one you THINK is somehow penciled in with invisible ink in between the lines of the US Constitution ? Sounds like you want YOUR personal “whims” to rule US society in some form of Sharia-Christianity !!!

  • http://www.americanclarion.com/ Bob Ellis

    I see that what always happens when homosexual activists get a head of steam has happened here. The thread has devolved into vain attempts to provide facts and information to vipers who are contemptuous toward the truth, met with hostility and lies from the Leftists. Too bad. Intelligent, mature human beings are supposed to be more interested in learning the truth than in protecting their own petty agendas. But when you have a dearth of intelligent, mature human beings…