Yes, Donald Trump is STILL Unacceptable

Donald Trump in Iowa (Photo credit: Max Goldberg)

Donald Trump in Iowa (Photo credit: Max Goldberg)

Over the past few months, I’ve heard countless arguments from Christians who support Donald Trump, an amoral liberal, and want others to vote for him, too.  I’ve argued with a number of these people online, too, in conversations that usually quickly end up with Christians saying things that sound very much like the excuses Democrats made to protect their immoral liberal some 20 years ago.

I can sympathize with the desire here to find a life raft of absolution in this cesspool sea, the desperate clinging for a straw of nobility in an act that otherwise the decent person realizes deep-down is repugnant.  After all, I’ve voted “lesser of two evils” many times in the past myself.

Many of those comparisons and excuses continue, so on the near-eve of the 2016 presidential election, I’d like to address some of those.  We should all cast our votes with as much facts, logic and reason as possible.  Casting a vote is an incredibly weighty and important act, something that affirms not only the person voted for but the values that person represents, so we should all do our civic duty at the ballot box with our eyes wide open.

I’ve heard a number of Christians looking to justify voting for an amoral liberal compare Donald Trump to King Cyrus and King Nebuchadnezzar.  However, it is important to note that the comparison falls flat because, unlike in our American representative democracy, God’s people had no hand and no voice whatsoever in choosing Cyrus or Nebuchadnezzar for power or rejecting him as king. Thus, they did not have a moral choice presented to them, in choosing to affirm a wicked man or to reject that wicked man. In fact, God’s people found themselves under the authority of Cyrus and Nebuchadnezzar through an act of judgement from God. Why were they under these brutal, pagan kings as an act of judgment? Because God’s chosen people had refused to stand firm for what was right, and instead compromised with the world around them to affirm what is wrong. The Bible makes it clear that while God can and does use certain evil people to accomplish his larger purposes, he would much rather see his people stay faithful to his standard, and is far more disposed to use imperfect people who are nevertheless after His own heart and who are genuinely seeking to carry out God’s will through their lives. But have God’s people today refused to stand for God’s values, and have God’s people today embraced the way of the world over God’s way?  The evidence has never been more sure than during this election season. So maybe Trump supporters who compare him to Cyrus and Nebuchadnezzar have a point…just not the one they intend.

Trump has also been compared by some to the Old Testament Israelite judge Samson, who had great physical strength from God at his disposal, yet chose to waste it on drunkenness and womanizing. Yes, God managed to use Samson despite his deep flaws, but if you will think back to your Biblical teaching about Samson (i.e. what you were taught and understood before certain people started looking for excuses for voting for Donald Trump), you may recall that the real lesson of Samson was one of an incredible waste of God’s blessing and provision. Perhaps there is some legitimate comparison between Samson and Trump (Trump’s power of finances and fame, squandered with a testimony of womanizing, corruption and debauchery), but not the comparison Trump apologists would like.

Then there is the King David comparison.  A man who on one hand was said to be a man after God’s own heart, yet he committed adultery with the wife of one of his most trusted soldiers, then conspired to have that trusted soldier killed in battle when his sin was about to be revealed.  David committed some abominable personal sins, and he committed some official acts that cost his nation dearly. There is no denying that, so perhaps there is some basis for comparing the morally bankrupt Donald Trump to King David. But for all of David’s failures, they were followed by genuine sorrow for having sinned against God, and heart-wrenching begging for forgiveness. We’ve seen nothing even remotely like David’s sorrow and repentance from Donald Trump, who has told us he doesn’t need God’s forgiveness.

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David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.”  – 2 Samuel 12:13

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But David’s heart struck him after he had numbered the people. And David said to the Lord, “I have sinned greatly in what I have done. But now, O Lord, please take away the iniquity of your servant, for I have done very foolishly.” – 2 Samuel 24:10

Then David spoke to the Lord when he saw the angel who was striking the people, and said, “Behold, I have sinned, and I have done wickedly. But these sheep, what have they done? Please let your hand be against me and against my father’s house.” – 2 Samuel 24:17

As for me, I said, “O Lord, be gracious to me; heal me, for I have sinned against you!” – Psalm 41:4

I acknowledged my sin to you,
    and I did not cover my iniquity;
I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the Lord,”
    and you forgave the iniquity of my sin. – Psalm 32

O Lord, rebuke me not in your anger,
nor discipline me in your wrath.
2 Be gracious to me, O Lord, for I am languishing;
heal me, O Lord, for my bones are troubled.
3 My soul also is greatly troubled.
But you, O Lord—how long?…
I am weary with my moaning;
every night I flood my bed with tears;
I drench my couch with my weeping. – Psalm 6:1-3, 6

Have mercy on me, O God,
according to your steadfast love;
according to your abundant mercy
blot out my transgressions.
2 Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity,
and cleanse me from my sin!
3 For I know my transgressions,
and my sin is ever before me.
4 Against you, you only, have I sinned
and done what is evil in your sight,
so that you may be justified in your words
and blameless in your judgment. – Psalm 51:1-4

Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean;
    wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
Let me hear joy and gladness;
    let the bones that you have broken rejoice.
Hide your face from my sins,
    and blot out all my iniquities.
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God,
    and renew a right[b] spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from your presence,
    and take not your Holy Spirit from me.
12 Restore to me the joy of your salvation,
    and uphold me with a willing spirit.
13 Then I will teach transgressors your ways,
 and sinners will return to you.
14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God,
O God of my salvation,
 and my tongue will sing aloud of your righteousness. – Psalm 51:7-14

Has Donald Trump ever sounded even remotely like this?

And then there’s this to consider:

Now therefore the sword shall never depart from your house, because you have despised me and have taken the wife of Uriah the Hittite to be your wife. – 2 Samuel 12:10

If we’re going to compare an unrepentant Donald Trump with a deeply repentant King David, do we as a nation really want to bear along with Trump the consequences of his sin, like the nation of Israel suffered for David’s sin?  I don’t. I’d rather keep my hands completely clean from the dirt of both of the major candidates.

When the Bible is taken in the context of its entirety, it is revealed that, when dealing with a human race that is entirely fallen, God is far more interested in a heart that has an attitude of repentance than a life that may be overall better, yet is not marked by the humility of repentance. We are ALL fallen, and do not live up to God’s standard. But we see that flawed people like Abraham, David, Paul and others who eventually leave behind their unbelief and place their faith in God…these are the ones who are recorded as pleasing to God. Not because they lived perfect lives, or perhaps not even the most obedient lives, but because they acknowledged their fallenness before their Creator and placed their lives in His hands.

Donald Trump’s arrogance remains his badge of honor, and there is no sign of genuine repentance. It would be more apt to compare him, not with King David, but with Ahab, or Manasseh, or Ahaz, who reveled in depravity and did it their own way rather than God’s way.

Donald Trump has also been compared to New Testament Saul, who became the Apostle Paul.  Saul was not used by God until he had seen the light and repented. Again, Trump has not repented, he only points to the foibles of others, and has said he doesn’t need God’s forgiveness. In fact, Trump has repeatedly reveled in his debauchery and sin, in countless interviews and in a number of things he has published. You will not see David and Paul reveling in their sin or claiming they don’t need God’s forgiveness. What you will see is deep anguish for their sins–even long after they have sought after and received God’s forgiveness (a remorse for past sin that I share, even some 25 years after I repented of my evil ways and was forgiven by God).

Besides, if God can use an amoral liberal like Trump, then he can certainly use an amoral liberal like Hillary Clinton. So why not refuse to affirm either amoral liberal, and just let God work it out? In doing so, all of the responsibility for whoever wins falls on those who voted for these reprobates in the primary, with no responsibility for affirming a wicked person having to fall on a conservative or Christian in the general election. If God can use a wicked person like Donald Trump to accomplish some of his purposes, he can use a wicked person like Hillary Clinton to accomplish some of his purposes, too. At least no person with whom the public associates moral uprightness will be found voting for a reprobate, if we leave it to God.

Then there are those who say, “Well, if you can’t vote for the man, vote for the platform.”  The GOP platform is indeed a great statement of affirmation of conservative values that reflect the principles that founded this great nation, as well as reflects God’s values of morality, family, personal responsibility, liberty, etc. For years I’ve worked in support of the South Dakota GOP platform, attending meetings every election year which provide input into the platform, and sometimes going to the state convention to defend the conservative values of the GOP platform. So anyone who knows me knows I believe in the Republican platform and fully support it.

But the best platform in the world is WORTHLESS if elected representatives won’t implement it. We have seen countless liberals in the Republican Party over the past 10-20 years who, while the party that helped get them elected has a great platform, either disregard that platform and won’t work to implement it, or have worked in diametric opposition to that platform. We don’t have to guess whether liberals in the party might do this; we KNOW they ALREADY oppose their own party’s platform, at both the state and federal level. Trump’s own actions and statements, going back decades and in the last year, make it clear that he is just such a RINO. What’s more, it is clear that he has a bigger narcissistic ego than even most of the RINOs who have worked against Republican values, leaving no doubt whatsoever that the GOP platform is worth toilet paper in his hands.

Trump’s recent claims that he will end ObamaCare and start moving the nation back toward free market health care are garbage. He has repeatedly praised the socialized health care systems of other nations, and has told us that the federal government should pay for everyone’s health care.

Trump has also told us that he believes two of the three most important roles the federal government has are education and health care–two things that are NOT authorized by the U.S. Constitution for the federal government to be involved in; two things virtually every conservative realizes are abominable in the hands of the federal government.

Donald Trump has also told us he believes in Marxist progressive taxation, that some people should be taxed more than others. This is yet another area that is anathema to the Republican platform, and to conservatism in general.

Despite claims that Donald Trump will end Roe v. Wade, Donald Trump has told us Planned Parenthood does good work, that his pro-abortion judge sister would make a good Supreme Court justice, has on his SCOTUS list a judge who blocked Indiana from defunding Planned Parenthood and who has called abortion a “right,” he wanted to water down the pro-life plank of the Republican platform before the convention this year, and Trump has very likely aborted at least one of his own children.  Does this sound like a pro-life candidate?

Trump has proposed paid maternity leave–something that will come at the expense of businesses and/or the taxpayers, and something that not long ago most conservatives condemned as another  unconstitutional welfare state intrusion into the free market.

Donald Trump has told us that homosexual behavior should be protected in federal law as a “civil right,” something that will only accelerate the assault on morality and religious freedom being perpetrated by the homosexual movement. Trump has also made it clear that he will do nothing to reverse the counterfeit marriage push instigated by the Supreme Court. He has also made it clear that he is on board with Bruce Jenner and the transgender agenda–another area being leveraged by the Left to attack morality and religious liberty.

Does this really sound like a man who will follow the Republican Party platform?  At all? We’ve had countless “Republican” candidates who sounded more conservative than Trump before getting into office…only to have them make a mockery of the GOP platform once they were elected. Such behavior describes the overwhelming majority of “Republicans” from my state of South Dakota, at both the state and federal level. And to hear them and their supporters tell it, they sounded more conservative before getting into office than Donald Trump sounds now.

Someone who holds these liberal positions is NOT going to uphold the conservative Republican platform. These are the liberal values articulated by the man himself, before he was on the campaign trail and needing the votes of Republicans (and in some cases, liberal things he said even after running as a Republican).  You can always put more weight on what a person reveals about themselves before they run for office, versus what they claim on the campaign trail. How many conservative-sounding Republicans have gone on to sell us out to the Left?  Think about it?  This man is not a conservative. He’s not even really a Republican.

Donald Trump is just another amoral liberal who happens to have an “R” after his name. The facts of this reality are insurmountable. We have to deal with reality, not resort to fantasy and wishful thinking.

There’s just no block on the ballot to vote for a platform, just as there’s no block to vote AGAINST one or another of the candidates. You only have one option per office: vote FOR one of the candidates…and in doing so, affirm the character and policies of that candidate. I just can’t vote for an unrepentant liberal who revels in deplorable behavior.

Remember, there’s more at stake here than just the 2016 presidential election. There’s even more at stake than the damage a Hillary Clinton presidency will likely do to this nation. There is the perversion and shredding of the moral fiber of this country, as upheld by the last remaining group in the nation that cares anything about it: conservatives. If the Right adopts a position that says character doesn’t matter, and that we’re okay with liberal policies as long as the proponent has an “R” after his name (as many on the Right–even among formerly reliable conservatives and Christians–are ALREADY doing), then the last bastion of defense for what is right is lost.

If, after coming to terms with all of Donald Trump’s liberal positions, and with Donald Trump’s moral bankruptcy, you still believe you need to vote for him to stop an even greater evil, then follow your conscience. Even though there is demonstrable evidence that a Trump presidency will do more harm in the long run than a Clinton presidency, do what you believe you need to do.

Just be honest with yourself and others about the facts, and about the inadequacy of most arguments in support of Trump. Because if you can’t be honest with yourself and others about those things in making your evaluation, then you’re already a part of that damage that Donald Trump is doing to the credibility and integrity of the moral fiber of this country.

But stop and consider for a moment: perhaps there’s a better way than choosing “the lesser of two evils.” One that could actually start to make real, much-needed change in the decaying American political system.


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Bob Ellis has been the owner of media company Dakota Voice, LLC since 2005. He is a 10-year U.S. Air Force veteran, a political reporter and commentator for the past decade, and has been involved in numerous election and public policy campaigns for over 20 years. He was a founding member and board member of the Tea Party groups Citizens for Liberty and the South Dakota Tea Party Alliance. He lives in Rapid City, South Dakota with his wife and two children.
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  • beethovens10th

    Bob, I admit to being excruciatingly torn, going back and forth between compromising to “beat Hillary” and being true to the Truth.

    Here’s my question to compromising conservatives: Once Trump is elected how do we get BACK to what conservatism once meant? The bar has been lowered so much, we will develop terminal amnesia regarding our former state. The suggestion to choose someone MORE conservative than Trump will be excoriated as “prudish.”

    • I sympathize. In 2012, I wasn’t going to vote for RINO Romney, but allowed myself to be fear-mongered into voting for him because SCOTUS had recently upheld the unconstitutional ObamaCare monstrosity that year, and I had a wild, desperate hope that he and a GOP congress might repeal it. I now regret having given in to fear and desperate hope then.

      With your question, you’ve hit on the reason why I believe a President Trump will, in the long run, be even worse for the country than the sure damage Hillary Clinton will do short-term. Because he has ALREADY managed to pervert conservatives and conservatism, with conservatives and Christians ALREADY whoring themselves out to defend his immoral behavior and his liberal policy ideas. If many are already “redefining” conservatism and Christianity and he isn’t even president yet, can you imagine what will be distorted under a Trump presidency? I shudder to even contemplate it.

      If our nation is to survive for the long haul, conservatives and Christians have to hold fast to what is right; right now, they’re the only bloc that even somewhat stands for what is right. If they substitute conservatism and Christian morality for Trumpism, there will be none left but a small-numbered remnant to stand for what is right…and those voices will be drowned out by the praise and worship that will hail President Trump.

      • beethovens10th

        Just try to suggest to “conservative” Trump supporters now that we disallow even homosexual “civil unions,” much less “marriage,” and see how they react. That will show us how far conservatism has fallen.

  • Kevin

    As usual Bob, I agree with much of what you say.

    Please elaborate on: ” Even though there is demonstrable evidence that a Trump presidency will do more harm in the long run than a Clinton presidency”

    I believe Hillary would be the end of our Republic.

    One week from today, Hillary or Trump will have been elected President (Baring a Act of God). I will cast my vote on Tuesday for a candidate I do not like and in many ways detest. However I will be voting AGAINST a far worse candidate. Bob, I have grand-kids who will have to live with my choice! Keep in mind the Supreme Court picks will likely last 30 years!

    Bob, I am NOT a Trump supporter; I see the flaws. I EXPECT him to disappoint me if he is elected, however I think that the Republic will survive.

    • First of all, Hillary Clinton won’t be the end of our republic–at least not any more than Barack Obama was the end of our republic. Most assuredly, she will do devastating damage to our republic, just as Barack Obama has done devastating damage to our republic.

      What most people on the Right seem to forget (perhaps conveniently) is that when both Obama and Clinton ran in 2008, HE, not she, was the most liberal senator in the U.S. Senate. That’s not to say that she isn’t a true-red Leftist, because she is. But Obama is even more of a true believer than she is. And despite the damage, the republic is still here after 8 years of Obama.

      So don’t let the hype from the sycophantic pro-Trump people mislead.

      What’s more, if we retain a Republican congress (something Trump has shown little regard for), then it’s possible that the damage she could do could be minimized greatly. That is, if the “Republican” congress can find some [insert the anatomical reference of your choice denoting strength here] and actually curtail her activity–unlike the “Republican” congress we’ve had for the past two years in the Senate and the past six years in the House. The House has the power of the purse, and can defund any and all of her Leftist policies. The Senate has confirmation power, and can refuse to confirm ANY nominees for ANYTHING…if they only grow some [insert the anatomical reference of your choice denoting strength here]. So if we get a Hillary Clinton in tandem with a Republican congress, ANY liberal crap she gets away with is THE FAULT OF THE “REPUBLICAN” CONGRESS.

      Regarding the Supreme Court, keep in mind that we have gotten some of our worst SCOTUS judges from some of the best Republican presidents…and Donald Trump is the worst “Republican” presidential nominee in history. As the Bible points out, you don’t get good fruit from a diseased tree; Donald Trump is diseased morally and ideologically. One of the people on his SCOTUS list (which he has already waffled on sticking to) went after Alabama Judge Roy Moore for acknowledging our nation’s Christian heritage, and another of Trumps picks blocked Indiana from defunding Planned Parenthood and called abortion a “right.” While it’s possible we might get a half-way decent judge or two out of Trump, the odds are against it, and those low odds frankly aren’t worth jeopardizing what remains of the moral fiber of this nation (see my comments below).

      As to the evidence that Donald Trump will do more damage in the long run than Hillary Clinton, I’ve already elaborated on that at length in several places, including here

      http://www.americanclarion.com/2016/11/02/yes-donald-trump-is-still-unacceptable-46753/#comment-2981966848

      And here

      http://www.americanclarion.com/2016/08/04/part-2-republican-cant-support-donald-trump-45978/

      And here
      http://www.americanclarion.com/2016/09/14/more-conservatives-whore-out-on-the-trump-train-46373/

      Others have also elaborated on it, including here

      http://theresurgent.com/freedom-or-integrity-evangelicals-choose-one/

      And here

      http://townhall.com/columnists/jeffjacoby/2016/10/16/how-the-religious-right-embraced-donald-trump-and-lost-its-moral-authority-n2233023?utm_content=buffer2e67b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

      And here

      http://theresurgent.com/an-open-letter-to-the-christian-right/

      And here

      http://www.libertyjuice.com/2016/10/10/trump-and-the-apostate-church-the-destruction-of-a-testimony/

      In short, it comes down to the complete bastardization of conservatism and Christian moral values that comes with Donald Trump that is ALREADY underway, even without him in the White House.

    • beethovens10th

      IMO, our Republic has already ended, so trying to fend off an end now is like closing the barn door after the horses have fled. We are just experiencing the outworking of that death.

      I could give dozens of examples.

  • A. Castellitto

    I think the only thing you are missing and many like minded are underemphasizing is the GOPs hand in this…. They are no better than trump, they just hide it better. So if we are to be consistent, we should flea the party as well…. The gop gave us trump whether they realize it or not

    • The GOP establishment’s fecklessness and betrayals were the catalyst for the Trump phenomenon for sure. But for a change, the GOP electorate didn’t allow the establishment to ram their pre-coronated RINO pick down our throats. No, THIS time we decided to screw ourselves instead.

      We (that is, a bunch of Republicans who acted in a mindless rage rather than logical thought) brought Trump all on ourselves (those ragingly mindless Republicans, plus the millions of Democrats we foolishly allowed to vote in our open primaries, that is).

      • A. Castellitto

        True, but as you know Bob, we were rabid Cruz supporters. What do we do if we are truly in a minority now? Even if we do get behind a Constitutional candidate, which I’m all for of course, do we have the numbers? If we can start a truly organized movement outside the 2 major cia controlled major parties I’m on board…. Just tell me where to sign up, but we have to organize…. A tea party outside the gop, not a futile attempt to reform it. God Bless!

        • We continue to work for conservative principles using the best means available, regardless of the circumstances.

          • A. Castellitto

            Too vague….. There needs to be a plan…. The gop is not letting us in

            • What we do will depend significantly on what we have to work with after this abominable election is over with–and whether enough people on the Right are willing to do what’s necessary to get the job done.

              I have a plan (similar to some things I’m hearing from some other conservatives nationally) formulated already that I will unveil a week or two after the election, after the dust has settled a little. My plan will vary little, regardless of whether Trump or Clinton wins. But it will be effective or fall on its face, dependent on whether conservatives are willing to play rough and get their hands dirty…or whether they want to keep using the same lame, failed tactics.

              I’ll have a good idea a month from now whether I’ll be super-busy in the near future…or whether I mothball my efforts until (if?) people are revived with a renewal of principle and determination.

      • A. Castellitto

        I also think the GOP est. is for open borders/north American union, no? I kind of think you are missing the bigger crisis…. I don’t think Trump fixes anything, but he may actually slow it down a bit

        • It wasn’t that long ago that Donald Trump was hiring illegal aliens, funding sanctuary city politicians, and advocating open borders himself.

          Everything (EVERYTHING) a politician says on the campaign trail must be weighed against what they said BEFORE running for office. If they say things now that contradict what they said before (especially without a statement of repudiation from them against their former position), they’re lying.

          Trump is a liar and a fraud. He’s nothing but a Democrat who slapped an “R” after his name.

          • A. Castellitto

            I don’t disagree with any of that…. He is a long shot. But looking back systematically, with the possibly exception of Cruz, I think they are all major long shots to actually do the right thing…. I look forward to hear more of what you and other true constitutional conservatives have in store

            • There are two basic reasons why few can be relied on to do the right thing.

              One is that most people today don’t know or appreciate what is right or WHY those principles are right. They therefore lack any internal motivation (i.e. integrity, or doing what is right when no one is looking) to do what is right. Cruz is one of those rare birds who does have that internal compass…at least, if he doesn’t ruin it by whoring out for Donald Trump.

              The second reason why few can be relied on to do the right thing today is because almost no one holds them accountable for doing the right thing. It used to be that the Right could be relied on to hold politicians accountable. But then the Right was soon filling up with the same kind of unmoored RINOs we were supposed to be holding accountable, leaving only the segment of the Right known as conservatives and Christians. NOW, even a huge number of conservatives and Christians have given up on holding elected officials accountable. That is evidenced in the embrace of many conservatives and Christians of the most immoral and liberal presidential nominee the GOP has ever fielded. Instead of saying “Not good enough” as we would do if he had a “D” after his name with this kind of record, they instead modified the standard to “allow” them to accept Trump as a legitimate Republican/conservative.

              How did the do this? By redefining the criteria of what would be acceptable to God (e.g. Dobson’s crazy and baseless “He’s saved now!” claim, God has used reprobates before, God has used pagans before, no one is perfect, we’re electing a politician not a preacher, etc.). Also by redefining what is conservative (example: Trump’s government-mandated paid maternity leave is actually “conservative” now…because it helps families and conservatives are for family, right–while ignoring that it is unconstitutional, violates property rights, violates free market principles, etc.). And by ignoring decades of Trump’s liberal record.

              In other words, they went out of their way to redefine their values in order to accommodate a candidate who is anathema to their stated values.

              You can’t hold someone accountable to a standard if you’re continually redefining that standard in order to convince yourself that a crap sandwich is yummy.

              And political figures know that. Which is why, when we compromise the standard to accept them, we teach them that we will NOT hold them accountable. Which fosters MORE bad behavior.

              That last video I embedded in the article say it all. As long as we keep rewarding Republicans for being immoral and liberal, they’re going to keep pushing the envelope Leftward and give us more and more liberal and immoral behavior.

              We’re like the woman with a serial adulterer for a husband who, every time he steps out on us, we cook him a wonderful meal and tell him how much we love and support him. It doesn’t take the serial adulterer long to get the message that if he screws around on us, he’ll be rewarded with a great meal and adoration (not to mention getting to enjoy that yummy “strange” on the side). Think he’s going to quit screwing around…or do it even more?

              • A. Castellitto

                What you say is true, however I think you are too hard on your fellow disgruntled citizens. The level of criminality is nothing we’ve ever seen…. Do you agree? We are already in crisis mode…. These last eight years -especially with the do nothing gop controlled congress and media cover- our government is become a complete joke…. The system as it stands is not salvageable. Cruz was our chance to salvage but the electorate chose destuction ….. We have no voice, we have no choice…. But many can’t stand to not do something. Trump is being pretty candid…. I think many highly principled people feel they have nothing left to lose until the system can be rebuilt…. The fact that the gop est. resists trump actually plays in his favor…. Nobody really trusts trump, but things are so bad they are willing to give him a shot…. Do you understand all this Bob?

              • If anything, I don’t think I’ve been hard enough; I don’t think it’s possible to be too hard on my fellow disgruntled citizens.

                It’s not like Donald Trump’s record of liberalism and moral bankruptcy were hidden. I started talking about them online four years ago, and tons more has become public since them. The level of asininity it takes to believe that an amoral liberal is somehow going to do all these conservative things that so many people believe he will do…it’s off-the-charts stupid.

                And how many times (in a row, no less) do we have to try electing a RINO before it gets through our thick skulls that they will only betray us?

                And to top it all off, it’s not like we didn’t have better options in the primary. Even Rubio (despite his sellout on amnesty) or Walker (despite his vacillation on immigration) would have been light-years better than this fraudulent snake oil salesman. And Ted Cruz was the best presidential candidate we’ve had since Ronald Reagan, with a fire in the belly to fight for conservative values (the values everyone on the Right CLAIMS they believe in), who understands what makes America tick and why, and to back it all up had hands-down the best conservative record by far of any of the GOP candidates.

                The level of asininity it takes to bypass good candidates for an amoral liberal like Donald Trump is astronomical.

                And thinking we’re going to get good fruit from a poison, diseased tree like Donald Trump is the height of naivete. And we’re willing to trade our integrity for poison fruit?

                No, I don’t think it’s possible to be too hard on that level of monumental stupidity–from people who ostensibly should know better.

              • A. Castellitto

                I just don’t think anyone trusts the system or the politicians…. And they think trump is as outsider as we are going to get…..as far as sneaking into this race….he tapped into something. Again, Cruz spoke to me…. People didn’t trust cruz, not sure why…. But people want to do something….they want a change, even if it’s wishful thinking…. They are tired of the establishment picking their candidate. I would have preferred Rubio after Cruz…. I would have little faith he would do anything even if he got in however. He would probably be controlled

              • They don’t trust the politicians…but the trust Trump, who is by definition a politician since he is running for political office?

                They don’t trust RINOs who betray the conservative values they claim to believe in…but they trust Trump, who has spent the last 30 years urinating on those same conservative values?

                They don’t trust immoral, power-abusing liberals…but they trust Trump, has been supporting liberal policies and politicians for years, who has lived a debauched lifestyle (even into his older years), who has mob connections, who has bought countless politicians for his own benefit, who leveraged eminent domain for his own personal benefit?

                They’re tired of the establishment picking worthless RINO candidates who betray our values…so they choose a worthless RINO candidate who has spent the last 30 years proving he will betray our values!

                Un-bloody-real!

                You say people want change. No doubt they do. Some wanted “change” in 2008. Remember hope and change? We got change alright–but not for the good. Trump is not change for the good, either.

                Wanting a change from a bad status quo is good…but not to run headlong into the arms of the very thing we’ve been complaining about!

                Trump could no more be controlled in the White House than he can be controlled now. In fact, even less so then, because he won’t need anyone’s vote for at least four years.

                God instructed his people to be as wise and crafty as serpents. We can’t do that with our heads shoved up our posteriors.

                Rewarding liberals with an “R” after their name will only get us more of what liberals with an “R” after their name deliver: betrayal of conservative values, and the nation moving further to the Left.

              • A. Castellitto

                We have to get to the table first…. Let’s blow the lid on the Conspiracy and expose the shadow gov/deep state that runs the show….. Me thinks you are a little too fixed on trump & rinos more than the demonic system that breeds em

              • Which enemy is more dangerous to your war effort: the one in front of you on the battlefield, wearing his own country’s uniform and clearly identifiable…or the one in your own camp, wearing your own uniform, moving freely about and able to get at your warmaking resources in a way the enemy wearing the enemy’s uniform never could? Or even the “Manchurian candidate” in your midst, functioning as one of your side’s leaders…all the while, helping the enemy achieve his goals in your camp?

                The RINOs are the enemy in our camp, masquerading as one of us, even functioning as many of our generals and other leaders…all the while, helping the enemy achieve his goals, and even brainwashing a lot of our people to believe that many of the enemy’s goals are noble.

                We can’t effectively bring fire to bear on the enemy on the battlefield in front of us, until we subdue the enemies in our own camp. Those enemies are the RINOs.

              • A. Castellitto

                You have to kill the head…. The gop is controlled….we can’t break thru…. You must be talking a new party…. That’s the only way

              • We might have to start a new party. But if we’d just stop feeding the RINOs, we could take this one back. We have the power; we just don’t exercise it. We are willing prisoners.

                http://stepstopoliticalepiphany.com/steps/5

              • The GOP is controlled…by RINOs. Like Trump. Stop feeding the RINOs and take back control of the party for conservatives who actually believe in its documented conservative values.

              • A. Castellitto

                The enemy is 1 in the same….McCain Ryan Romney bush McConnell…..the whole leadership

              • Yep…and Trump also, who is perhaps the biggest RINO of them all.

              • A. Castellitto

                Ok,…. Why don’t his fellow rinos like him….. ? Could be a good cop bad cop scenario I guess…. Maybe the gop is craftier than I thought…. Then they are in cahoots with the dems…. And my argument of 3rd party is vital

              • A. Castellitto

                It’s a 2 party sham then? How r they different? Controlled opposition

              • A. Castellitto

                How r dems & gop different from each other, I don’t see it

              • Functionally, there isn’t much difference. That’s because we’ve allowed liberals to take over leadership of the Republican Party. Watch this video: http://stepstopoliticalepiphany.com/steps/4

                But if we stop feeding the RINOs (with our votes), we can regain control.

                The documented values of both parties are VERY different. If you don’t believe me, go read the platforms of both parties. The platform defines what the party believes it; we need to get rid of the traitors, the enemies in the camp, who are running the party contrary to its documented values.

              • The fact that Donald Trump is a RINO is undeniable. His record of supporting liberals and liberal policies is well documented both recently and going back years.

                There are two basic reasons a lot of the RINO establishment doesn’t like him.

                The first is rather petty, especially to us average Americans. It’s because the establishment has an elitist, snobbish attitude toward anyone who isn’t a member of their “club.” You have to be an elected official to be a member of their “in club.” If you aren’t, you’re “little people,” even if you’re a billionaire. In their eyes, you don’t have the chops. You haven’t earned it. You haven’t paid your dues. He’s every bit the liberal they are, but he doesn’t have the proper “political pedigree” to be a member of the in club. (As a side note, if he manages to win, he WILL be a newly minted member of the club, and they’ll fall all over themselves to kiss his ***…which is one of the many reasons I chuckle when some semi-reluctant Trump supporters claim he can be “controlled” once in office).

                The second reason is more substantive and practical. Though they are about as liberal as he and he as liberal as they, he’s much more crude than the average RINO–which makes him an embarrassment. If you’ll notice, most of the RINOs talk and act with a marked level of refinement. They don’t run around insulting people (which is one of the behaviors of Trump that falsely misled many shallow people who are generally of a conservative bent to think Trump is a conservative–he doesn’t sound like a RINO in his general demeanor). RINOs also don’t usually run around insulting women and other people, talk about grabbing women by the *****, brag about their serial adulteries, and so forth. Sure, they’re perfectly fine with such immoral behaviors…but people of their cultured refinement don’t talk openly about such things! To put it simply, he’s far too uncouth to be accepted into their snooty circle.

                The politics, however, the ideology? Which is what really matters. Well, that’s virtually the same. They won’t fight the Democrats…and he’s been funding the Democrats for years. They’re okay with open borders and illegal immigration…and so is he (despite is recent tough talk, his record proves it. They’re okay with big government. He LOVES big government–his record proves it.

                And on and on and on.

                There is no substantial difference between Trump’s politics and the politics of any other liberal–be they RINOs or Democrats.

              • A. Castellitto

                The party is the problem….part of the system….. The elephant in the room

              • The party isn’t the problem. The problem is the RINOs we have allowed to run it–allowed with our votes and other avenues of support. The RINOs are antithetical to the very good values of the party, as documented in the platform.

              • Thisoldspouse

                I honestly do not think that Trump would follow through on his proposed list of Supreme Court nominees if elected. I know that’s conjecture, but doing so would be so against his revealed character, it is very unlikely.

                And this would be among one of his first actions as president. I think what he does in this regard is going to be a sobering wake-up call to his ardent supporters, and just a beginning.

                I predict that the long-sought sodomite ENDA will finally be passed into federal law under his administration.

              • I don’t think he’ll follow through on it either. He’s already been fudging and hedging on it, within days of its publication. He never sticks with anything…except for returning to liberal policies and lowest common denominator behavior.

                I think we’d likely get ENDA under a Trump administration, too. After all, he’s on record stating homosexual behavior should be protected as a civil right.

              • A. Castellitto

                I do agree with & highly respect your stance, regardless

              • A. Castellitto

                Bob, do you want to take corporate money out of politics and have campaign reform? You realize we have very little control….I’m a little surprised that you seem a bit naive on these matters…. Again, give us a plan, instead of wasting your breath on trump. We are in a bad way either way…. How are things going to change. Don’t make politics your religion brother, society is too far gone. People see Christian virtue as evil bigotry. You might convince Christians not to vote trump, fine….once you are done with that crusade what do you have left…. Trump is the least of the problems…. Its the political system and the culture thats broken. Get back to reality….your argument is one that may have had an impact 30 years ago.

              • Absolutely not. That’s a liberal position. Money is property, and property rights recognizes that you have the right to do with your own property as you see fit. What’s more, banning corporate groups from using their property to extend their freedom of speech is unilateral disarmament when you consider that the unions and the “mainstream” media is not similarly disarmed.

                I am not naive. Anyone who believes a corrupt liberal Democrat is going to fix or even significantly slow down this nation’s problems (that liberalism caused) is naive.

                Politics isn’t my religion. Did you even watch that video I linked to in a comment a little while ago? My “religion” in the political realm is to promote God’s values. How that is done to different audiences is different. To those who claim to be Christians, the basis is Biblical truth. To the unbeliever, it is through the practical (what’s in it for me). Fortunately, God’s truths have practical, real-world payoffs. Yes, they take more work, but the payoff is exponentially greater than the effort. People have forgotten that (a) because of the easy-sell of liberalism and (b) because we conservatives and Christians have done a lousy job of selling the truth…because we’ve really been too lily-livered to sell it at all. We say and do nothing to counter the Left’s message. If we’d get off our rear ends and do something, if we’d use the voices that God gave us instead of cowering in fear before vacuous liberal arguments, we could convince the public that our way is really better. That’s what Reagan did–he just boldly and unapologetically sold the truth.

                People can change. Most of the sheep out there currently follow the Left because the Left is boldly and fearlessly selling its position. Meanwhile, we cower and shake and pee our pants and say nothing in defense of our values because (gasp) somebody might call us a bigot or call us mean. No wonder the Left is winning! We don’t even fight!

                My only hope is that if enough people can change (and stop being willing prisoners of the Left) that we can make a difference and get this nation back on its historic course of greatness. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. But at least I’ll have tried. Continuing this insanity of doing the same thing over and over isn’t cutting it.

              • A. Castellitto

                What about the big corporations that donate to both parties equally? Big industry is not a moral entity. I still sense some denial. Its a 2 party monopoly, Bush and clinton are pals, McCain and Obama are pals. Karl Rove is a nightmare….. Koch Bros and Soros recently bonded…. These folks are laughing at our futile attempts to make a difference and they don’t believe in our God. For heaven’s sake we have unaccountable Islamic sympathizers and satanists running the cia…. This system cannot be rehabed unless there was a concentrated effort to get behind one guy…. But these folks ain’t giving up their choke hold on our damned nation…. Do you think the GOP really cares if we stay home on election day? I don’t….. We need a plan, but realize it will be a fight to death…. This is no longer land of the free…. It’s America Inc. and we were souled out a century ago

              • Remember, the Trumps and the Clintons are buddies, too. Trump said Hillary was a great Secretary of State, and would make a great president.

                Donald Trump is 100% the WRONG guy to get behind.

              • A. Castellitto

                Forget it Bob, I’m probably letting my cynicism and paranoia get the best of me….. Keep fighting the good fight!!!!

              • The cynicism is tough to fight. I’ve been struggling with it for some years now, and really bad in the last six months. It’s hard to maintain any hope that things will get any better, given the way things have become during this election. And it may be true that it’s too late to turn things around. But if there’s still a chance (and I still hope there is–we’ll see if there is, after I release my plan), I have to try. You keep fighting the good fight, too!

              • A. Castellitto

                Do you believe Christian conservatives voted trump over Cruz? If so it’s already over…. We don’t have the numbers

              • Yeah, it’s pretty depressing to think about. But public opinion isn’t monolithic. It can be changed (talked about this in a previous comment).

                But hey. If we don’t believe public opinion can be changed…then it won’t (because no one will be working to change it)

                It does not take a majority to prevail… but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men. – Samuel Adams

  • retiredday

    My friend and brother in Christ, I had that very political epiphany which is outlined in the video during George W. Bush’s first term. I have agonized through every election cycle since, and been distressed at the numbers of conservatives who have continued voting for the lesser of two evils and by so doing have kept the Republicans in their position of giving conservative lip service, while in fact not defending conservative principles. I have wondered for decades why so many have continued to be caught up in the power and pragmatism of unprincipled politics.

    But we as a nation, a society, a culture have gone way beyond the understanding of most voters. For some time, Christians have been losing moral battles against an increasingly secular consciousness. The influence of Biblical values in our society continue to diminish — even in the teachings of many so-called Christian denominations. The expectation that the Republican Party would actually put forth an outspoken Christian candidate for President is totally unrealistic. They seek candidates who will appeal to the secular majority.

    But that isn’ the only “fundamental change” we have experienced in the past 50 years. While I believe it is critical for Christians to bring a godly and Scriptural influence to politics, it is even more fundamentally important to share the good news, make disciples and motivate everyone everywhere to read, study and know Scripture — the font from which all of God’s wisdom springs. We can’t expect to elect leaders with Christian values unless the whole of society desires to live according to those values. So, we need to build the base.

    Perhaps the most fundamental change in politics in the past 50 years is the push toward globalism. As soon as I say the word, everyone’s mind categorizes it their own way and files it under their own understanding. And I realize everyone has their own unique degree of concern about it. However, there is one aspect of globalism that has completely changed the face of American politics and threatens to destroy everything that has been good about our country historically and traditionally.

    Both Democrat and Republican leaders give so much value to our role as part of the “international community” (an oxymoron if ever I heard one) that they have been willing to subject American constitutional law to international law. And in so doing, we have been giving away our sovereignty by dribs and drabs. The ultimate goal of globalists is one world government. That would spell a complete end to constitutional rights and to national sovereignty.

    In a world government there would be no legal recourse for an American citizen who was aggrieved by international laws. They would have no rights as citizens. They would merely be subjects to the international authorities. If you look at most of the governments of the nations of the world, they are not free or representational. Leaders are appointed and have dictatorial powers. The people who wield power are at the head of huge manufacturing and marketing consortiums. Money is power.

    The places where people have the power of the vote are slowly morphing into human care zones where monied interests gain control over people by promising to provide for their needs and take care of them. Big, powerful international institutions vie to control major population areas so that they can continue to grow bigger and more powerful, looking out for their own interests while brain washing people into thinking they are looking out for them.

    Globalism, as a threat to the existence of the United States of America, is more dangerous politically speaking than the godless immorality that comes from rejecting Christ. But rejecting Christ is sure death. This nation is in far more serious danger that most Americans realize. It is vital that Christians vote in this election. It is even more vital that we pray for the salvation that only Christ can bring.

    In California, the Constitution Party failed to get write-in status, so I have no true conservative option. I’m voting for Trump, and praying that the LORD get a hold of him and turn him into the leader this nation needs.

    • Sounds like that’s your only option in your state (short of leaving it blank–and I did when I voted today, on some races where there simply was no conservative in the race). It seems you’re at least realistic about our sorry options, which is sadly more than can be said for many conservatives and Christians these days.

      • Thisoldspouse

        I wouldn’t have left the presidential race blank; seeing how fraud-rife our election system is now. At least voting for Clark Kent might have prevented someone from “correcting your mistake.”

        Remember how many blank presidential ballots in Florida 2000 were contested as “intended votes” for Gore? Even a mild nick in the Chad was interpreted as an attempt to vote, which for some reason didn’t go through, but “should be corrected.” I’d leave no room for that corrupt conjecture.

        • Understood. But some states (like mine) don’t allow write-ins, so you’re left with the available choices. Fortunately, for me, in the presidential race, I had a Constitution Party candidate to vote for. But for U.S. Senate, I had John Thune (the guy with an “R” after his name and a 44% liberty score–meaning he votes with the Democrats 56% of the time) or a Democrat, and for U.S. House I had Kristi Noem (the gal with an “R” after her name and a 42% liberty score–meaning she votes with the Democrats 58% of the time) or a Democrat. So I left them both blank.

          I swore I’d never vote for another RINO again, and God helping me, I intend to keep that vow.

          • Thisoldspouse

            I cannot conceive of voters not getting a choice of a candidate not on the ballot. That almost seems unconstitutional to me.

  • Kevin in Brookings

    This time tomorrow night perhaps we will know who has won the contest for the President of the Republic.

    I can assure you it will be one of the two very flawed candidates. Bob, you chose not to support ether one. I am choosing the candidate that I believe will do the least damage.

    The fact is ALL candidates are flawed! Until Jesus is ruling we will have to pick between “the lessor of two evils”. My first vote in a national election was for Ronald Reagan in 1980. I have the greatest respect for President Reagan but alas he was flawed. He did not make every decision as I would have liked.

    Our children shall reap what we sow tomorrow.

    God Help Us!

    Kevin

    • As John Mark Reynolds said recently, “We must vote for flawed men, but not for men who glory in their flaws.” If I can’t draw the line anywhere else, I draw it there. That’s why, as bad as Hillary Clinton is, I couldn’t vote for Donald Trump.

      But I get where you’re coming from, Kevin. And it’s a world apart from those who claim this fraud is more than he really is.